tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9118409153657833547.post383585258241882331..comments2024-02-10T02:53:47.545-06:00Comments on Do You Ever Think About Things You Do Think About?: Resurrection: What Would It Take to Convince Me?Vinnyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08955726889682177434noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9118409153657833547.post-76549230531226727512010-06-08T16:48:38.456-05:002010-06-08T16:48:38.456-05:00Vin -
You may be right, I will think twice about ...Vin -<br /><br />You may be right, I will think twice about how I use that phrase.<br /><br />vmM!https://www.blogger.com/profile/17091731667326622965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9118409153657833547.post-45075561953725163952010-06-07T20:14:51.713-05:002010-06-07T20:14:51.713-05:00Vocab,
I think your concept of bad faith is too r...Vocab,<br /><br />I think your concept of bad faith is too rigid. I don’t think that good faith in an argument requires perfect neutrality. To me, good faith involves things like avoiding fallacies to the best of one’s ability, fairly representing the evidence, fairly characterizing and an opponent’s position, and identifying and examining the basis for one’s own assumptions to the best of one’s own abilities. I think there is a lot that can be done to offset the effect of biases.Vinnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08955726889682177434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9118409153657833547.post-16770297546786106312010-06-07T01:50:14.553-05:002010-06-07T01:50:14.553-05:00In other words, Vocab thinks atheists are mentally...In other words, Vocab thinks atheists are mentally ill, and will write on his blog doing so.<br /><br />And if Vocab is wiped out in a debate as I wiped him out, by quoting the lies and frauds in his Bible, he will refuse to answer further.<br /><br />Why should he answer people he thinks are mentally ill?<br /><br />Does Vocab think any Christian writer can tell a lie?Steven Carrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11983601793874190779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9118409153657833547.post-26418017053669003132010-06-06T19:46:43.671-05:002010-06-06T19:46:43.671-05:00This is interesting.
I am thankful for you, Vinny...This is interesting.<br /><br />I am thankful for you, Vinny, because I think you (for the most part) fairly represent those you oppose - so thanks.<br /><br />As far as my intentions, I DO want to show that the atheist is debating IN faith - meaning they trust their sensory perceptions as accurate, they trust their own thoughts, they trust other people's reports about reality (such as scientific papers and historical documents).<br /><br />When I say 'bad faith', that is simply shorthand to point out the obvious - that the atheist, like everyone else, is not neutral, despite claims to the contrary. <br /><br />These things do not prove any atheist is wrong per se (or that I am right) but rather expose the atheist's built-in assumptions - assumptions which I have noticed are almost impossible for him to let go.<br /><br />vM!M!https://www.blogger.com/profile/17091731667326622965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9118409153657833547.post-69492834791551844842010-06-02T21:39:41.205-05:002010-06-02T21:39:41.205-05:00This is a rather limited defense, but there are qu...This is a rather limited defense, but there are quite recent claims of miracles. Joseph Smith's golden tablets with the book of Mormon do date from quite recently. Darwin had already formulated a naturalistic explanation of biological variation, even as Smith was hiding in a closet with his magic spectacles.<br /><br />I think the important conclusion is not that there was an age of magical thinking (while there certainly was), but that there are <i>still</i> cultures of it. On the other hand, it is much harder to give them respect in this age.Dan M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9118409153657833547.post-65044942844253934692010-06-02T11:26:40.082-05:002010-06-02T11:26:40.082-05:00If God really wanted everyone to believe in him, w...If God really wanted everyone to believe in him, why doesn't everyone get to see the signs and wonders? Why do first century desert tribesman who are already prone to magical thinking get the benefit of supernatural displays of power while twentieth century rationalists are left with dubious argumentation?Vinnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08955726889682177434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9118409153657833547.post-732062912590881122010-06-02T11:04:21.981-05:002010-06-02T11:04:21.981-05:00This seems to support Greta Christina's recurr...This seems to support Greta Christina's recurring theme: Those who espouse religion seem often to say things (like "not debating in good faith") with the purpose of ending discussion rather than supporting their own claims.<br /><br />Ironically, I have a great deal of trouble seeing how it could be a good-faith argument to call the perception of some words in the sky to be disproportionately harder to accept than somebody <i>coming back from the dead.</i>Dan M.noreply@blogger.com